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[Chris Thomas]

Just wondering, someone is spreading that elswhere.

[Driven Auto Detail]

I've seen some people on Autopia say that as well Chris. On the PS description, it says PS does NOT contain fillers. I have much respect for Dr. G and what he provides in his products so I'm going to assume that PS does not fill. Although, I have personally never done an IPA wipedown. I feel like it's kind of pointless since the goal of PS is to clean, correct, and SEAL.

[Chris Thomas]

Well, from my experience it couldn't have fillers and maintain a 3-4 month durability (which it does for me). I don't mind having to defend my opinion sometimes, but there seem to be waves of negativity toward Optimum over there from time to time as if it's strategically coordinated. I wish some of those guys were in my home town doing business, I'd have ALL the business, lol.

[Chris Thomas]

From Autopia Today:

TH0001 said:

David from OPT told me that PS fills. Prep-Sol wipe downs confirm this (not that it is a bad thing)

Well, can Dr. G chime in here?

[Doctor G]

integritydetail, on Mar 19 2008, 10:28 AM, said:

From Autopia Today:


Well, can Dr. G chime in here?

Chris,

Thank you for letting me know about this discussion. I usually get so caught up with product development and testing and all the manufacturing headaches that I do not see the questions unless someone brings it to my attention. Sometimes I think it would be much easier to have BI or CG develop and manufacture products for us then I can just sit back and play on the computer. NAAA.

As you all know Poli-Seal is an all-in-one product that removes oxidation, light swirls, and seals the paint. The latter (sealing) takes place through cross-linking of polymers that are in Poli-Seal. When applying Poli-Seal via rotary or DA, you have to continue buffing long enough to remove the swirls otherwise the swirls will be filled rather than removed. Of course for deeper swirls it takes too long to remove them with Poli-Seal so the polish or hyper/compound are much better choices.

I believe Bence did an exceptional demo of Poli-Seal correction capability a while back and compared the results with Menzerna. If I remember correctly, after IPA wipe down Poli-Seal showed no sign of swirls marks. Of course if Poli-Seal is applied by hand, it will only fill the scratches since there is no correction mechanism. I hope this explains the differing results some people have experienced.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Thanks again.

David,

[Chris Thomas]

Doctor G, on Mar 20 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

Chris,

Thank you for letting me know about this discussion. I usually get so caught up with product development and testing and all the manufacturing headaches that I do not see the questions unless someone brings it to my attention. Sometimes I think it would be much easier to have BI or CG develop and manufacture products for us then I can just sit back and play on the computer. NAAA.

As you all know Poli-Seal is an all-in-one product that removes oxidation, light swirls, and seals the paint. The latter (sealing) takes place through cross-linking of polymers that are in Poli-Seal. When applying Poli-Seal via rotary or DA, you have to continue buffing long enough to remove the swirls otherwise the swirls will be filled rather than removed. Of course for deeper swirls it takes too long to remove them with Poli-Seal so the polish or hyper/compound are much better choices.

I believe Bence did an exceptional demo of Poli-Seal correction capability a while back and compared the results with Menzerna. If I remember correctly, after IPA wipe down Poli-Seal showed no sign of swirls marks. Of course if Poli-Seal is applied by hand, it will only fill the scratches since there is no correction mechanism. I hope this explains the differing results some people have experienced.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Thanks again.

David,

Thanks David,
That's exactly what I was looking for. And I just realized that my word choice sounds kinda smarta$$ like you were deliberately not reponding. That was not at all how I meant it, I was frustrated by the guys on the other forum and was just like: Well, we'll just see what Dr. G has to say about this, haha. I'm such an A$$ for not just letting the remain ignorant...Sorry fo the way I came off, I didn't realize till I just reread it, DOH.

BTW: you do what you do and we'll play on the cars and computers...and whats with it saying "apprentice" under your user name? Yours should at least be "Compulsive," lol

Thanks again,
Chris

[Woob]

Poliseal & Opt Polish supposedly "fill" mostly because it's built different from your usual polishes that breakdown and leave residue that usually either hazes or becomes oily. Opt products disappear into the paint and are meant to be buffed forever (almost).

Any product will "fill" if you apply it thick and believe it's disappeared into the panel. It takes a proper user and trained person to understand the chemical breakdown of a product. I've heard Menzerna even fills, what are we to believe if such a reputable worldwide product contains fillers & oils?

I'd recommend a Prep Wash/Sol wipedown, or just use a product that you like and suits the expectations of your customers. Forums are one thing, but there are real world conditions that apply to Detailing.

[buja]

getting a lil confused here,

so with my poli seal, i will be applying by hand, so most probably my "effort" will not be strong enough to work the micro abrasives n remove the fine lines. will the leftover act as fillers and mask them then ?

i know everyone shys away from "fillers" but without access to a powerpoint and machine, doing everything by hand will be very limited, and Im thinking whether poli seal is the one for me or should I find something that fills n hopefully can last a little longer with opti seal on top to "lock" it in.

in saying that, can anyone recommend me one ?

[Chris Thomas]

Woob, on Mar 21 2008, 04:24 AM, said:

Poliseal & Opt Polish supposedly "fill" mostly because it's built different from your usual polishes that breakdown and leave residue that usually either hazes or becomes oily. Opt products disappear into the paint and are meant to be buffed forever (almost).

Any product will "fill" if you apply it thick and believe it's disappeared into the panel. It takes a proper user and trained person to understand the chemical breakdown of a product. I've heard Menzerna even fills, what are we to believe if such a reputable worldwide product contains fillers & oils?

I'd recommend a Prep Wash/Sol wipedown, or just use a product that you like and suits the expectations of your customers. Forums are one thing, but there are real world conditions that apply to Detailing.

Are you saying to Prep Sol just to see or every time, cause that would defeat the "Seal" part and the "Carnuba" part and only be left with light swirls removed?

[Woob]

integritydetail, on Mar 22 2008, 08:52 PM, said:

Are you saying to Prep Sol just to see or every time, cause that would defeat the "Seal" part and the "Carnuba" part and only be left with light swirls removed?

Of course not, I just recommend it if you're looking to have the perfectly prepped finish.