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  1. 3 points
    bird-keeper

    IMG 20161016 160808815 HDR

    From the album 91 GTA

  2. 2 points
    A&J

    Temporary Forum Shutdown

    You click on the time under the post (for example it says "9hours ago") and it takes you to that post. Dont forget to like my comment...apparantly the more likes I get the better the change I win OCP or other OPT stuff this month
  3. 2 points
    Ron@Optimum

    Opti-Seal on Tires?

    Opti-Seal will not hurt tires, but won't help them either. It is effective on rubber trim - tires are more porous and absorb product.
  4. 2 points
    oregonduck

    OID or OOC?

    I enjoy washing my own cars and keeping them looking good with the best products. I currently use OCW as my sole wax product and am very happy with the product. I use it after every wash since I don't wash the cars on a regular basis. I am looking for a product to spot clean bugs and small bird and tree droppings on a daily basis for maintenance between my full washes. I have been going back and forth between buying OID and OOC and just can't make a decision. I think both products would have different advantages but these are just based on what I've read online as I have not used either. I am assuming OOC would have more cleaning power than OID which would be great for the purpose of cleaning up the occasional bugs, bird or tree droppings after a drive. One of my questions is would using OOC on a regular basis for spot clean up also remove my OCW protection at the same time? On the other hand, I have been leaning towards buying OID for this spot cleaning purpose. I figure if OID offers enough cleaning power to wash off these type of spots (which should be fairly fresh considering my goal behind this product purchase is to stay on top of this) then I'm wondering if OID could work as my spot cleaner, but also offer me much more protection than OOC? Since I don't always get to do full wash with OCW application very regularly, I like the idea of the product I choose giving me extra protection from the elements as a bridge, and am assuming OID would offer more protection than OOC? But would OID have sufficient cleaning power for the bug/bird/tree spots? One more note, I wouldn't really be using either of these products for their intended use! I like OCW and the added protection and it is so easy I can't see using the OID instead of OCW as my LSP. On the other hand, I am kind of a purist when it comes to a full car wash, so wouldn't be using OOC for its intended waterless wash purpose. I hope this extra info helps, just looking for some expert advice on which product to buy for this spot cleaner purpose?
  5. 2 points
    Paul S

    Happy Birthday !

    Happy Birthday shout out to Dr. G. !!!!!! Hope you have a great day.
  6. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    NEW OPTIMUM PRODUCTS - 2017 SEMA

    As stated in the SEMA broadcast, the Big Gold Sponge does not replace the BRS, but adds a softer, more dense version that coordinates with the Opti-Coat line of products. The bedliner has been reformulated into a single phase application to simplify the process. Optimum is always reviewing products to improve or increase ease of use. Toddj, thanks for the video links -
  7. 1 point
    To test for Opti-Coat Pro, make sure your truck is clean (preferably decontaminated) and if water beads you're still protected. No Rinse and No Rinse Wash & Wax have similar cleaning capability, so the only difference is the carnauba wax for extra protection. Either product can be safely used weekly. The option to wax or seal is your choice, but neither will be durable on OCP. It is not necessary to re-coat the entire vehicle if damaged.
  8. 1 point
    A&J

    Sticker glue

    just use a dedicated tar&glue remover like stoners tar remover. Opt line sadly doesnt have a product for removing glue.
  9. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    Sticker glue

    I recall people using rubbing alcohol, nail polish remover, hair spray, and vinegar along with retail products like Goof Off.
  10. 1 point
    AKT

    NRWW and OCW

    That's the plan! Like giving a back rub to a newborn baby.
  11. 1 point
    The Guz

    2010 Camaro Coated with Gloss Coat

    When I first used it I was like it is so so. But after extended use I have to say it has become my favorite interior protectant. Leaves a great finish and as you stated very durable. Also does not attract much dust compared to other products. I just bought more.
  12. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    Hyper Seal

    Best explanation available: Yvan Lacroix The new line is designed as a maintenance line for coated cars. These are not simply re-bottled Optimum products, but new formulations that Dr G. has worked on for quite some time to compliment coated cars. Fortunately for the rest of the world they work great on non coated cars as well. They will only be available through the www.opticoat.com website, or directly from Opti-Coat Pro installers. Retailers will not have access to this line of products. We do not have the products in stock in the USA, a preliminary batch was made to ship to our distribution partners world wide, so they could all be launched at once. In the USA we do not have product yet, and the website is going through a redesign to accommodate these new products. Until the website is ready they will not be available here. I can not give you a date at this time.
  13. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    Optimum Gloss-Coat

    I've never heard of someone coating floor mats but I don't think there would be any issues. I'd agree with A&J/Guz that it's an expensive and somewhat short range solution. Something like Protection Plus would seem a better choice.
  14. 1 point
    Kiddetailer

    Official Curing Time Chart?

    I know this forum and many other places throughout the web have spoken about proper Curing times for the various protection products from Optimum. I was hoping for a sticky thread where it will state proper curing times like for Gloss Coat, Opti Seal, Optimum Car Wax, Opti Lens, Opti Glass etc. For Gloss Coat I know that it can touch water in 1 hour, can be wash after 7 days with car soap, and no chemicals touching the gloss coat until at least 30 days. What about things like opti seal after gloss coat to protect it after application? I read many of Gus's posts where he says put opti seal 1 hour after gloss coat has been applied. Is this the official word from optimum? Or how long after Opti seal can Optimum Car Wax be applied?
  15. 1 point
    A&J

    Brand new BMW M1 got Gloss coated

    I got contacted to detail and protect a brand new BMW M1 series in estoril blue. The costumer and I set up a date that happened to be this weekend. Like mentioned the car was brand spanking new so when it arrived it looked great which was good for me as I didnt have much to do. The car upon arival The car was fairly clean for a 2 day old...the wheels had some brake dust acumulated and there was some bug splatter in front Upon inspection I diddnt find any major damage, just some light swirls that will be removed with polishing. They were most visible on the back lights. I went with the Mike Phillips aggresive wash technique. So I started with the chemical decon procedure. I used a local iron remover product called Carshinefactory Iron off. Snow foamed and washed usind OPT car wash Foamed again and clayed the paint using a clay mitt. I pulled the car into the garage to dry it and to polish it using OPT Hyper polish and LC orange pad on a DA. 1-2 passes were enough to remove light swirls. I polished the entire car in about 2h (very fast yes I know). I used OPT paint prep to remove polishing oils. Gloss coat was applied to the majority of the car... ...The majority because I ran out of it and had to use Gyeon Cancoat for the back boot and bumper. One coat of Gloss coat and 3 coats of Cancoat on the back 1h apart and left it in the garage over night. The next morning I applied Carpro Reload to help the coating cure for the next couple of weeks. Fk1000p on the exhaust Gtechiq C2 on the wheels and TAC system tyre dressing on the tyres The interior was vacuumed and the plastics wiped with OPT opti-clean. The door shuts were polished with OPT poli-seal. The engine bay was wiped with APC and plastics protected with Wolfs chemicals plasic & trim coat. End results Money shot picture Thats it. Thanks for watching.
  16. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    Poli-seal as a primer for OC 2.0

    yes, Paint Prep will remove the sealant in Poli-Seal.
  17. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    Gloss coat fail?

    Some great observations and recommendations. All coatings take on the characteristics of the substances that are on them and usually (if application was done properly as yours sounded), lack of performance can be tracked back to that. I haven't tried Essence Plus but would take Guz's word for it. There are so many choices on all car care products and it's impossible to determine all possible effects when combined. That's one reason Optimum sincerely recommends using their products for the synergy and not only to increase sales...
  18. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    ONR & Opti-clean New formula

    First, there have been no recent reformulations of No Rinse or Opti-Clean. Second, Dr G does incorporate small tweaks without announcement, but they are minor and infrequent. New Formula stickers are generic and if dated would create confusion, opportunity for error when labeling, and probably accusations Optimum was using that to generate sales (desire for the latest formula/freshest product). Optimum does not date labels because the expense would be prohibitive and would create issues in our warehouse and with our distributors (and there are many, in the US and internationally). The product A&J received was probably not rotated properly, but ONR and OC have no pull dates and last forever, so there should be zero performance issues (I have a gallon of ONRWW that's 4+ years old and I used it yesterday).
  19. 1 point
    I use slightly higher dilution ratio but fully support the idea of a single spray per panel is normally enough. If you get streaking it is normally due to using too much product
  20. 1 point
    Setec Astronomy

    Big Red Sponge

    IMO if you're getting dirt on your drying towels you're not doing enough washing before you dry. Just like with a conventional wash, sometimes you have to go over an area more than once to get it clean. Try doing one pass with one side of the BRS, then going back over with the the other side to remove any remaining dirt. I don't have a BRS, but another thing I've done, with that kind of wash media, is you kind of have 4 sides, if you use the two edges. What I'm saying is kind of like if you were washing with a folded towel, where you flip or re-fold to get to a clean surface, you can wash a panel using the two sides of the BRS, then go back using the edges for a final pass. Anyway, my recommendation is, if you're having this problem, is go back for a second pass with the other (clean) side of the BRS. You really want the dirt in your wash media and not your drying media.
  21. 1 point
    Habs

    OCW durability issues

    Great info After I apply my opti gloss ( if it ever warms up in my garage) I am going to use ocw with every wash witch is once a week and see how it looks . Dan
  22. 1 point
    Doctor G

    No more waxing

    Adding Gloss Coat should add the protection you are looking for to the painted panels. We recommend wiping the surfaces with Paint Prep to remove any wax residue before applying Gloss Coat. Let us know if we can be of further assistance. Thank you.
  23. 1 point
    No Soap

    Optimum NRS or Optimum OC

    Remember to be gentle, like with a woman. No hard rubbing with these chicks...I mean cars and ONR!
  24. 1 point
    A&J

    Hyper Paint Correction System (HPCS)

    This is me getting results from Intensive polish on Flexipad wool pad and Hyper polish on CG white hex logic pad using a DA. 2-3 section passes of each polish left me with these results.
  25. 1 point
    A&J

    Temporary Forum Shutdown

    Thanks for the explanation ...must admit I havent noticed the My Activity Streams till now (will have a bit of a play once I get some more free time). It should prove usefull once I get the hang of it. Blue color is darker and more noticible IMO. Thanks I did start to use the "unread content" button now that the "whats new" button is gone. Great that you could increase the font for my friend Lowejackson here...he is old and he got no money for new glasses Is there a chance to implement the OPT synergy podcast somewhere here on the forum?
  26. 1 point
    IPS-Lindy

    Temporary Forum Shutdown

    Great feedback, thanks guys. As Ron noted, I'm a gearhead and have been an avid user of OPT products for years, so I'm happy to offer some help where I can. This is definitely a huge change, but please give it a chance... I think you'll come to love it (I may have an ever so slight bias. :)) If you click "unread content" and then click the condensed tab on the right side, I think you'll find this more to your liking. Activity streams are very powerful. You can use the pre-defined streams by clicking Activity -> My Activity Streams (as as a point of interest, if there's something specific you're looking for, we can create a custom stream on your behalf. Further, you can create your own custom stream here - select your options, save it and it will show in the aforementioned list. In fact, you can set that as your default stream so anytime you click activity, it automatically goes there. For example, you can create a stream to read all OPT employee responses in one central location. You can create one to only show you certain forums such as ONR. You can have a stream that shows you all topics you've participated in, also filtered by various factors. Once you get streams setup the way you like, it's really difficult to go back to the old "view new content" found on other forums. Our designers made a couple of changes over the weekend. Do you find it easier to read now? Please see above. You can simply default to "unread content" and adjust the filters on the top of the page, or create your own streams to display exactly how you'd like. Those should have carried over. I'll get a tech to take a look. That would be nice! I hesitate to call them participation trophies, but essentially, they do in fact recognize participation in a community. In the next major release of our software due in a few months, those can be tied to actions. For example, OPT could have a VIP forum exclusive to active contributors and create an action that would handle promotion of that automatically. They could also be used for contests, as noted. I increased the size of post content slightly - hopefully that helps.
  27. 1 point
    A&J

    Heavy dirt pre-wash product?

    I usually do this too if I cant hand wash it afterwards. This January was way too cold for any hand washing but I did visit a self service coin-op. I sprayed a Citrus based APC mixed 1:15 on the car, waited a few min and PW rinsed it off. The car was like night and day. Most of the salt and muck was removed which I was satisfied with at the moment. Your way of doing it sounds as good as any. As long as it works for you.
  28. 1 point
    A&J

    Using ONR in the winter on a very salty car

    That really is a great presentation guide. Unless there is mud or heavy dirt&grime present rinseless will clean perfectly fine. If in doubt PW rinse the car first or spray on APC mixed 1:15 or 1:20, wait a few min and PW rinse it off. After that wash normally with ONR.
  29. 1 point
    meGrimlock

    The new Optimum opti-grind

    this is actually their new aggressive clay product.
  30. 1 point
    You have missed a trick here, you could have released the iRon, the perfect product for domestic detailing with the associated iRon Board. The perfect gift for anyone called Ron
  31. 1 point
    The Guz

    2015 Impala LTZ Coated with Gloss Coat

    I corrected this one during the 4th of July week. This is my dad's new car. It replaced his 2002 Camaro Z28 that was stolen a few months ago. The Impala was a former Enterprise rental car. It was purchased through Enterprise car sales. It has 30K miles on it. The interior is in very good shape. The exterior has minor scratches and chips from it's abuse as a former rental car. The color is champagne silver metallic. A one step polish was performed using a non optimum polishing compound on my Rupes tools (LHR15 Mark II, Mini Nano). Started off by decontaminating the paint I followed that up by using an aggressive wash method that is described by Mike Phillips using Optimum Car Wash in my foam gun. Once it is clean, I foamed up the car and clayed it using a clay mitt and the foam shampoo as clay lube. That exposed the true condition of the paint. 50/50 before After Once the paint was corrected, it was prepped with Optimum Paint Prep. The car was coated with 2 coats of gloss coat and 1 coat of opti-seal. The end result is a very glossy finish. All chrome was polished to remove all water spots. It was also coated with gloss coat. The headlights were lightly polished and coated with opti-lens. Same process was done on the taillights. No more paint defects The glass was clayed and coated with opti-glass. Days later it was cleaned with opti-glass clean & protect The trim was also restored. It was restored with solution finish. I know optimum doesn't recommend applying it over another product. I applied it to get better hydrophobic properties and to get longer lasting protection. I waited a few days prior to coating the trim. I also wiped it down really good prior to coating it. Before After In daylight Same process on the lower rear bumper trim. The interior had been cleaned a couple weeks prior to all it received was a vacuum and a wiprdown of all surfaces Wheels and tires coated with non optimum products Dad was ecstatic at the end result. He is good to go for quite sometime. I will be maintaining it with ONR and possibly opti-seal if I get bored A dramatic turnaround for a former rental car. Comments are welcomed.
  32. 1 point
    Car is still looking great
  33. 1 point
    Welcome to the Optimum Forum. Either sponge will work for ONR washes - the Big Red Sponge is larger and has cuts that allow more maneuvering around trim and crevices, plus holds more wash solution. The blue sponge is a large traditional type and works well for general maintenance.
  34. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    Wood working machine surfaces?

    Seal, Wax, or Instant Detailer would all protect against oxidation (rust) and do not contain silicone.
  35. 1 point
    You can use Opti-Bond for exterior plastic, I do regularly. Dr G recommends Protectant Plus as the better exterior/interior plastic product, due to it's UV protection. I think Opti-Bond is a little greasy (gelly?) for interiors, might be a dust magnet.
  36. 1 point
    A&J

    Paint Prep Lubricity?

    No not like OOS...its more watery.
  37. 1 point
    nls8520

    How scratch resistant is gloss coat?

    Hey A&J, of course, are you on the Optimum Car Care Facebook group? Essentially what I have read there is that Gloss Coat is harder the factory clear although its unclear if its as hard as opticoat pro. Also the coating improves the hardness of your clearcoat, however you are limited by how much due to the softness of the substrate that its added to. Also quoting from Facebook: "Gloss Coat reduces friction. Combined with the increase in hardness the 2 phenomena conspire to make the vehicle easier to wash, and less likely to mar or scratch" Please correct me if anything I stated is not accurate I am just reporting what I read.
  38. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    2016 SEMA Speculation Thread

    Lowe, the UK doesn't have our fixation trucks, but the bedliner is aftermarket protection for the bed, can be a spray or thick vinyl. Optimum tested it on warehouse equipment (forklifts, etc) to check effectiveness and durability with great success. No reason it wouldn't work on your underside. The Optimum Spray Bedliner has the following advantages for the consumer: UV stable, impact resistant, non slip surface, very hard to scratch or cut, thinner than it's competition, doesn't add too much weight to the truck. Also easy to repair if it should get damaged. For the installers, low equipment costs ($60 for the gun vs $15,000 for the mixing systems required by many others) easy and quick to apply, water based. Very easy to apply and no spray mist or what so ever which you will have with a normal paint job. The gun can easily be rinsed with water afterwards and it's ready for the next application,
  39. 1 point
    Welcome to the Optimum Forum - there are a lot of experts here! We don't recommend applying in temps below 40 and the flash/ cure time will be longer in cold, dry conditions. Yes, you can apply Opti-Seal an hour after Coating for temporary protection while Gloss-Coat finishes curing.
  40. 1 point
    A&J

    OPT stuff at freezing temperatures

    Since winter is behind the door I was just wondering if OPT stuff can go bad if they freeze? I have most of my detailing stuff in the garage that is not heated or insulated so some of my liquids have frozen before during winter. If they happen to freeze, will it affect its performance in spring? Specifically Im asking for Hyper polish, ONR, optiseal, OCW and QD. Some of the stuff I can keep inside the house, but not all of them. Thanks for answering.
  41. 1 point
    Ron@Optimum

    OPT stuff at freezing temperatures

    Since we're in Memphis and freezing isn't an issue, I checked with Yvan LaCroix (Canada) who said he's never had an issue with it. Dr G states the only Optimum products where freezing could effect performance are: Opti-Bond Tire Gel Optimum Tire Shine Optimum Compound Optimum Polish Poli-Seal
  42. 1 point
    One week in and no surprise, both Glass Clean & Protect and Opti-Seal are still on the job, beading water.
  43. 1 point
    Lowejackson

    2015 Honda Civic coated with Gloss coat

    Nice work A&J
  44. 1 point
    Brett

    A Few Opti Seal Questions

    Used OS a while back..several years ago. Thinking about going all Optimum, so some questions. What's the best applicator to use? Foam, MF? How long should one wait before topping with OCW? Lastly, any issues with using GPS and immediately topping with OS? Thanks so much!
  45. 1 point
  46. 1 point
    Lowejackson

    Power clean on leather

    I use it about 5:1 (sometimes higher diluation) followed by wiping with a damp MF cloth. Chris Thomas has suggested paying extra attention to the seams to make sure the OPC is also removed from these areas. I am sure Mr Thomas has also said you can use the Optimum dressing instead of a damp cloth. Just in case this all sounds a bit complated, it is not. I spray the OPC onto a cloth, work one section and then wipe with a damp cloth.
  47. 1 point
    ponypower 5.0

    OCW On New Paint??

    I'm not chemist by any means but here are some thoughts: What did the shop say about cure time for the repaint? Is the work covered by a warranty? Optimum Car Wax is water based but once it dries/cures, it is no longer water-soluble, otherwise, it would wash right off. A product being water based does not neccessarily indicate that it "breathes". The whole point of paint protection is to seal it from the elements. Perhaps the paint will still cure with OCW applied but to be safe, and avoid violating any warranty issues, your paint should be just fine withought protection during the time the body shop recommends for paint cure time. Did a body shop or a Ford dealer do the paint work? I would think Ford would only make recommendations regarding factory applied paint since it is catalyzed and cures due to a chemical reaction and it cures before it leaves the factory. I would ask the shop that applied the paint what their recommendation is regarding application of sealants/waxes on their paint, just to be safe, since they know if they used a catalyzed paint or a laquer paint which does need time to outgas..
  48. 1 point
    RSF

    Mobile Set-up Questions

    I'm preparing to start my part time week-end detailing business using many of the Optimum products and I have several questions regarding some of the more expensive equipment purchases I'll need to make. 1. If I'm NOT planning on using a hose for free flowing water what portable systems would be suggested that would give me some pressure spraying for rinsing the wheels/tires or the engine bay or some major mud/dirt on the paint? There are several portable battery operated sprayers on the market. (Mytee Boss, Chemical Guys sprayer, Nomad, etc) 2. If using chemicals that are environmentally friendly is it necessary to have a water containment matt in order to be fully compliant? 3. What canopies are easy to set up for one operator? What sizes? 10x15, 10x20, Best places to purchase from? 4. Suggested hot water extractors and steam machines? If I can only afford one to start with would it be better to start with an extractor or a steam machine? 5. This is not just for mobile use but what would be a high quality paint thickness gage that would be accurate down to 3 mil? That's all I can think of for now. If there are any other suggestions for a mobile set up I'd greatly appreciate any help!
  49. 1 point
    Billy Jack

    Opti-Seal and lacquer paint

    This will by a very wordy question, but I’m hoping a detailed question will help to obtain the best answer. Optimum’s wax / sealant products seem to be geared toward modern clearcoat paints. My question refers to my garage queen, an ’87 El Camino with original single-stage lacquer. Trying to keep it an original “survivor”, I go to great lengths keeping the old paint presentable. My normal spring routine is first a good claying, followed by multiple aggressive rubdowns with the oil-rich Meguiars #7. Next is a light machine polish, usually with another oil rich Meguiar’s polish, either #3 Machine Glaze or the more aggressive #80 Speed Glaze. Final steps are then a sealant and wax. My current favorite sealant is Meguiar’s NXT since not only does it not diminish the gloss level, it does not streak on my sensitive dark burgundy paint. Many other waxes and sealants I’ve tried have streaked and /or diminished the gloss I’ve worked so hard to obtain. I’m very intrigued to try Opti-Seal as a base sealant, then OCW as a maintenance wax throughout the year, in the hope of being able to go the entire spring and summer cruise / show season with only minimal maintenance. As it is now, my spring routine has to be repeated in mid-summer, even though my Camino is a strictly a sunny day driver. Opinions or experiences, anyone? Do the Optimum products work as well on older lacquer finishes as they appear to on modern clearcoats? Is there any potential conflict with Opti-Seal and the oils in the Meguiar’s Polishes or glazes? Does Opti-Seal have any tendency to streak on older, softer paints? Thanks in advance for any assistance. Bill
  50. 1 point
    Ron Harris

    Wet Sanding Basics.

    This is just a basic example of wet sanding procedures.If you have never attempted this before I recomend you find a scrape panel to practice with. What you need A large sponge A 5 gal bucket Foam sanding block. 2000 grit sanding paper. A squeegee. Our victim Porsche Carrera. The right rear quarter was repainted as was the door and right front fender. Ok. What you want to do first is fill a 5 gal bucket with water and start soaking your paper. I don't add soap.Why? I think that the lubricity masks the sound that dirt makes when between the paper and paint. I think it makes the paper cut deeper. Soak for 30min while you wash the car. I use 2000 grit 3M Imperial paper. I feel that you can remove most imperfections with this paper. Some like to start with 1200 but based on my experience you will just be adding a step that is not necessary. When you start compounding you will have some stray deep scratches that will be hard to remove if you didn't sand enough with a finer grit. Seeing the stray scratches are impossible when there is no gloss. So you could end up removing to much clear or burning the clear trying to compound them out. Is your car clean? If not give it a good washing paying special attention to the nooks and crevices around the area you will be sanding. Dirt trapped in these areas can be flushed out while sanding with the water and come between the paper and paint causing some deep scratches. You can here this happening and you should stop and flush your panel and paper with fresh water to remove the dirt. Lets start sanding. You want to work in a cool well lit area out of the sun. You may be able to see some of the imperfections like dirt or fish eye in the finish of the car but some may be hard to detect but will show up during the compound and polishing step. Orange peel will be obvious and you only should remove enough to match the rest of the car. This takes practice to do. Your first time out don't go for a completely flat finish if your car dose not have one. I start by lightly sanding the panel with my paper wrapped around a foam sanding block. I Call this giving you a guide to the finish. This will high lite all the dirt and orange peel. Squeegee off the water and examen. see example pictures. The circles are showing you dirt in the finish. So now we can see just how much dirt and orange peel in in the finish. Lets start sanding more. Keep the panel wet with water using your sponge. Remember if you here a gritty squeak stop and flush. Work an area stop squeegee and examine. Looking at the next pic we can see that most of the orange peel gone but a big piece of dirt remains. We will need to sand this a little more. When working on curved surfaces you want to remove the block from the paper and use your hand. You never want to sand with your finger tips.try to keep your hand as flat as possible and sand as if you were waving. Sanding with the tips of your fingers will create valleys in theb finish that will look like waves when polished. So now the car is completely sanded Next Compounding