ONR Definitive Thread

[Ron@Optimum]

Chris Thomas

OPT Regional Manager | Eastern USA

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 01:20 AM

Current version: v3 released March 2012

 

ONR Dilutions (Per Label):

Wash solution: ratio 1:256 or 1 oz/2 gallons or 30 ml to 7.68 liters of water (3.9 ml per liter)

Clay lube: ratio 1:64 or 2 oz/1 gallon or 60 ml to 3.84 liters of water (15.6 ml per liter)

 

Regarding quick detailer: before we introduced Optimum Instant Detailer, we listed a quick detailer dilution that has since been removed. You can still use it this way of course, but our dedicated product will perform much better.

 

Quick Detailer: ratio 1:16 or 8 oz/1 gallon or 240 ml to 3.84 liters for water (62.5 ml per liter)

 

 

Regarding the caps:

 

8oz size cap holds .25 oz or 7.5 ml

32oz size cap holds .5 oz or 15 ml

128oz size cap holds .5 oz or 15 ml

 

Regarding hard water:

 

You may increase the increase the ratio of the respective product dilution by 20% to adjust for minerals in water used.

 

 

ONR Directions (Per Label):

1. Add 1oz to 2 gallons of water in a wash bucket

2. Soak wash media in solution and wash vehicle in sections

3. Dry each section two clean towels consecutively

 

Alternate Method w/Presoak (Thanks SUPERBEE364 and EXCELDETAIL)

1. Spray down each panel with QD strength ONR. (pump type garden sprayer)

2. Wipe each panel down gently with a dripping wet MF from the ONR bucket.

3. Rinse and squeeze out the MF, get it dripping wet again, and redo the same panel.

4. Dry the panel with a clean MF followed by a second MF

(Sup prefers to use distilled water exclusively, too.)

 

No Rinse Guide With Pics by:Excel Detail

 

FAQs (Thanks Dr. G, BENCE & ANTHONY O.):

1. Why does it feel slimy and not foam?: ONR should feel somewhat slimy, as this provides lubrication/encapsulation which carries away the unwanted dirt particles from the surface. This is a good slime.

2. Why is my wash media so much dirtier than when I do a traditional wash?: ONR binds the dirt to the wash media intentionally. You should change mitts as needed. They can then be soaked in regular detergent to release the dirt before rinsing or washed in the machine.

3. What are the environmental advantages?: Much less water is used by eliminating the rinsing step, not to mention on average only 2 gallons are used to wash vs. 6-10 gallons with the two bucket method (not including rinsing). Also, with a regular wash the mitt will release the dirt into the (usually 5 gallon X 2) rinse bucket, it would likely end in the storm drains when you dumped the buckets. With the ONR wash you can wash your mitts in your machine and dump the remainder of the 2 gallons of solution into the sink or toilet where the dirt goes to the right place where water can be treated/purified. Optimum Products also come packaged in HDPE bottles (which are one of the few widely recyclable plastics)

4. Should I still use the two-bucket method to prevent marring?: ONR softens water, so the bigger particles just sink to the bottom of the bucket. It's like having a built-in grit guard in the wash solution. Smaller particles end up in the wash media.

5. Is there any advantage to using DI/distilled water to make the solution?: Softer water cooperates well with ONR. ONR's actives bond to the minerals of hard waters, therefore you may add more ONR to harder waters. DI/distilled water have no such minerals and the cleaning/protecting power of ONR can be exploited without weakening. These kind of waters will feel slimier than tap water.

6. My ONR Clay lube lost its color, will it still do the job or is it ruined?: ONR may lose its color when the sun hits it directly, but this won't affect its performance.

7. My car is really dirty, should I use more of the concentrate?: Using significantly more than the recommended dosage won't multiply ONR's performance; it will work effectively with the recommended amounts. You can still fine-tune the dosage to your exact needs (soiling of the vehicle, water hardness, wash media type, etc.).

 

(1 oz per gallon vs 1 oz per 2 gallons)

Thank you for bringing up this question. The polymers in No Rinse have reactive groups that bond and trap dirt particles making the dirt particles virtually non-abrasive. They also bond to oily particles and emulsify them into water. The latter is equivalent to the cleaning action from soaps which also work by emulsifying oil particles into water. However, with soap there is no interaction with dirt. This is why adding No Rinse to a regular wash also helps protect the paint from dirt particles.

 

The No Rinse polymers also bond to all automotive surfaces and create a slick surface and act as a barrier to protect paint from marring. That is something that soap will not provide since surfactants in soaps have no affinity for painted or other automotive surfaces.

 

When you use 1 oz. of No Rinse in 1 or 2 gallons of water for your wash at the molecular level this provides hundreds of billions of polymer molecules to do what was said above. Additional product will not be necessary except if you are using tap water that contains high levels of minerals such as calcium hydroxide or silicates. In these cases some of the polymers will bond to these minerals and take them out of solution therefore more product might be necessary to compensate for this effect. This is another reason why adding No Rinse to a regular car wash soap improves the results when using tap water.

 

For claying, the recommended level is 2 oz. per gallon, however, the actual product usage is far less. For instance if you are using 16 oz. of clay lube to clay a car, at this dilution you are actually putting 1/4 oz. of No Rinse on the surface. Same thing goes for using No Rinse as a quick detailer.

 

These levels were of course tested for several months and hundreds of washes of heavily soiled cars before we started offering No Rinse three years ago. I hope this helps answer your question. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Thanks again.

 

Dr. G (copied from Optimum Forums Ask Dr. G section)

 

8. Can ONR be used to clean windows and interiors? Yes, ONR can be used for an interior and exterior glass cleaner. It can be used at the regular QD mix.....a bit stronger if you're doing nasty windows and a bit less if doing more regular upkeep type cars.

 

If you notice streaks and smears then you need to cut it back with water.

 

ONR Technique (Thanks SCOTTWAX):

Body: YouTube - Washing a Cayenne with ONR

 

Wheels: YouTube - Optimum No Rinse and wheels part 1

YouTube - Optimum No Rinse and wheels part 2

 

 

 

Engine: http://www.autopia.o...ine-detail.html

 

Claying: YouTube - Claying with Optimum No Rinse

 

Touch-ups: YouTube - ONR vs bird bomb

 

Fenderwells:YouTube - Fenderwell cleaning with Optimum No Rinse Wash

 

ONR Wash Media Threads:

http://www.autopia.o...do-you-use.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...e-onr-mitt.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...-onr-media.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...-onr-media.html

ONR Capabilities Threads:

http://www.autopia.o...hed-limits.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...onr-thread.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...-silverado.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...e-onr-pics.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...9-onr-time.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...s-stunning.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...timony-onr.html

 

http://www.autopia.o...ics-inside.html

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Chris Thomas

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[TheMidnightNarwhal]

So is there no point at all in using 5 gallons of water?

[Ron@Optimum]

the mix ratio calls for 2 gallons...

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

16 hours ago, Ron@Optimum said:

the mix ratio calls for 2 gallons...

Correct but it says 1 oz per 2 gallons, so I am wondering does that mean having more solution is better or 2 gallons is all I need.

[Setec Astronomy]

It depends how much solution you need.  Which can also depend on how you are washing.  I almost always use a rinse bucket, so I don't have to worry about having a lot of ONR to "absorb" soils that are coming off the car without becoming too contaminated.  If I have just a dusty car that isn't really dirty, then I can forego a rinse bucket and might be able to wash the car with 1/2 gallon.  A normal wash with a rinse bucket, also a half gallon (no wheels).  I normally put about half concentration ONR in the rinse bucket, so as not to drag back too much plain water into the wash bucket.

If the vehicle is very large or very dirty I might use 1 gallon in the wash bucket.  If you're using a single bucket, you generally need 2 gallons to get sufficiently above the grit guard (I generally don't use a grit guard in the wash bucket, only the rinse).  But there are a million variations that people use...if you use the "single use media" method, which is you use your wash media, and once it's dirty, switch to another fresh towel/sponge, then you don't need a rinse bucket and your wash bucket never gets dirty because you never return used media to it.  In that case you will use more wash solution.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

11 hours ago, Setec Astronomy said:

It depends how much solution you need.  Which can also depend on how you are washing.  I almost always use a rinse bucket, so I don't have to worry about having a lot of ONR to "absorb" soils that are coming off the car without becoming too contaminated.  If I have just a dusty car that isn't really dirty, then I can forego a rinse bucket and might be able to wash the car with 1/2 gallon.  A normal wash with a rinse bucket, also a half gallon (no wheels).  I normally put about half concentration ONR in the rinse bucket, so as not to drag back too much plain water into the wash bucket.

If the vehicle is very large or very dirty I might use 1 gallon in the wash bucket.  If you're using a single bucket, you generally need 2 gallons to get sufficiently above the grit guard (I generally don't use a grit guard in the wash bucket, only the rinse).  But there are a million variations that people use...if you use the "single use media" method, which is you use your wash media, and once it's dirty, switch to another fresh towel/sponge, then you don't need a rinse bucket and your wash bucket never gets dirty because you never return used media to it.  In that case you will use more wash solution.

Yeah for this winter I am thinking doing the multiple towel method. Can't wait to try it out but I still have to find logistics for where to clean it and determine how cold I can clean my car. I'm sure hot water will help a lot as well.