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ONR - not what Im used to

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Imitation is the best form of flattery. As good as Mckee's 37 N-914 is, I still haven't found it to leave windows as streak free as ONR or soften water as well. Due to me liking ONR for various purposes inside the vehicle, it will always stay in my arsenal. 

 

But speaking in terms of competition, there are many new players out in the Rinseless market, is there any chance Dr. G is playing with new formulations in the lab?😉

 

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Dr G is always looking for ways to improve products...and with all the new rinseless washes out there, I've yet to see one that performs better than ONR.  KcKees claims to be slicker....define slickness to me and prove the claim.  Even Yvan LaCroix, who's doing product demos for McKees, doesn't specifically say it's better. 

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On 2/21/2020 at 9:29 AM, Ron@Optimum said:

There is no new version of ONR, but it's possible we've changed suppliers for the color component...or the ratio.  Color has nothing to do with performance...in fact, after mixing the color goes away due to dilution.  I'm not sure what the story is with McKees - when they were owners of Autopia (Palm Beach), they were major distributor of Optimum products, now they seem to be targeting our products. 

That video wasn't made by McKee's...if there was a target for N-914 it was the discontinued Meguiar's D114.  As far as the story...it sure doesn't look like Mr. McKee is retiring as it seemed.

 

19 hours ago, Ron@Optimum said:

Dr G is always looking for ways to improve products...and with all the new rinseless washes out there, I've yet to see one that performs better than ONR.  KcKees claims to be slicker....define slickness to me and prove the claim.  Even Yvan LaCroix, who's doing product demos for McKees, doesn't specifically say it's better. 

Ha...what the heck is Yvan doing?  If he goes around as a "trainer for all things detailing" doing videos for anyone and everyone who will pay him, he's going to lose all credibility.

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I'm curious as well - using McKees to demo Lake Country pads and introduce a new line of D/As is one thing, but shilling for car care products after being the face of OPT does raise questions.  My last conversation with Yvan, just after he "retired" it sounded like he wanted to do training seminars.  Maybe he sees himself as a youtube star, like Pan the Organizer?

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It was weird to say the least when I watched Yvan presenting the new 5in1 polisher at Mike Phillips and using standard paste polishes...he used a few dots (very small) when the entire emphasys at OPT was how the spray version coveres the entire pad to not create hot spots. I know it was just a commercial but still. Like Setec said...he will soon lose all credibility.

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And as for rinseless washes I did try out a lot a few years back and did a review about them on detail world. There is certanly a few I liked and a few i disliked but I keep coming back to ONR and I am done with others. I did however like surf city garage rinse free water saver a lot...not the pro version but the other one...the blue/greenish one in the bigger bottle. 

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On 2/21/2020 at 3:29 PM, Ron@Optimum said:

There is no new version of ONR, but it's possible we've changed suppliers for the color component...or the ratio.  Color has nothing to do with performance...in fact, after mixing the color goes away due to dilution.  I'm not sure what the story is with McKees - when they were owners of Autopia (Palm Beach), they were major distributor of Optimum products, now they seem to be targeting our products. 

You can leave out the "seem" I guess, I think they're unshamefully copying OPT. A bit of competition could be a good thing for the consumer, however.

Though OPT surely has key advantages over their stuff, in the products on offer and the 'synergy' between them.

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On 2/24/2020 at 7:33 AM, Setec Astronomy said:

That video wasn't made by McKee's...if there was a target for N-914 it was the discontinued Meguiar's D114.  As far as the story...it sure doesn't look like Mr. McKee is retiring as it seemed.

 

Ha...what the heck is Yvan doing?  If he goes around as a "trainer for all things detailing" doing videos for anyone and everyone who will pay him, he's going to lose all credibility.

 

On 2/24/2020 at 9:24 AM, Ron@Optimum said:

I'm curious as well - using McKees to demo Lake Country pads and introduce a new line of D/As is one thing, but shilling for car care products after being the face of OPT does raise questions.  My last conversation with Yvan, just after he "retired" it sounded like he wanted to do training seminars.  Maybe he sees himself as a youtube star, like Pan the Organizer?

 

On 2/24/2020 at 11:42 AM, A&J said:

It was weird to say the least when I watched Yvan presenting the new 5in1 polisher at Mike Phillips and using standard paste polishes...he used a few dots (very small) when the entire emphasys at OPT was how the spray version coveres the entire pad to not create hot spots. I know it was just a commercial but still. Like Setec said...he will soon lose all credibility.

 

It's interesting how sometimes we get so invested in a product line (even though I'm not employed by Optimum or stand to gain financially in any way) that we get disappointed when people "jump ship"

Yvan certainly has every right to pursue whatever he wishes.

But I do agree that it's hard to take him seriously (particularly when you re-watch the tons of old Youtube videos out there when Yvan was promoting Optimum products) when he's now shilling for products that seem to do the opposite of what he used to love about Optimum products (e.g. there's a video on PantheOrganizer's channel of Yvan proudly stating that Optimum doesn't make products for the purpose of making them to sell ; every Optimum product has a purpose. Conversely, I went to McKee's website and the sheer number of products they offer is overwhelming and IMHO, redundant. I know someone else has commented on the changing of his tune from promoting Optimum's patented spray polishes to now promoting standard paste polishes)

All in all, disappointing especially if I was a newbie. Hard to figure out which product and which product line he actually recommends when there are videos of his that contradict each other out there on Youtube (this is meant as a compliment for Yvan. He obviously has such great experience and force of personality that people listen when he talks/recommends things.)

I am glad I caught the detailing minimalism video he did with The Rag Company when I was starting out myself which was the video that tuned me into Optimum products. Having used them myself now, it would take one heck of a new series of videos to get me to change my personal washing regimen away from Optimum products :)

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